Haiti’s Deal With the Devil


It seems that every time a large disaster happens there is always going to be someone that blames it on sin. Pat Robertson, yesterday, did just that. I know that he said it was because of a deal with the devil, but in essence that would be a sin. I find it hard, given what the Bible says, to agree with Robertson’s assessment of the situation. The truth of the matter is that it goes far beyond any deal with the devil that Haiti did or didn’t make, it goes back to Adams sin.

Scott Richards of Scott Richards Live put it this way.

So when we are hurting or find ourselves hurting others, it goes back to the fall. When we find ourselves struggling with a sense of emptiness and frustration in the deepest part of our souls, it goes back to the fall. When we at once see the remaining traces of the beauty of creation, and the mind-blowing destruction that same creation can deliver, it goes back to the fall. And so, in a sense, Pat Robertson was right. When Adam and Eve listened to the voice of the serpent, the result was a cursed creation. But that curse isn’t restricted to Haiti, or the coasts of Indonesia and India when the tsunami disaster hit. It effects all of us. And every time we sin, we ratify that same decision that rendered the once “very good” creation into what we live in today. But the good news is, in spite of what we have done, God continues to love us.

Jesus, in the book of Luke, seems to refute Robertson’s claim.

1 There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” Luke 13:1-9

What message should we get from these words? Turn to Christ, its no matter whether or not you’ve made a pact with the devil. Turn to Christ and you will be set free. You will not be set free from the trials of this world, be it an earthquake or the common cold, that is not the point, we still live in a fallen world.

In the book of Hebrews it says.

23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

That means that you need Christ. So was Pat Robertson right when he said that the people of Haiti need to turn to God? Yes, but lets not limit it to the people of Haiti. We are all sinners and we all need God. Was he right to say that the people of Haiti are more deserving of the destruction because of their deal with the devil? No, as Christ said “unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” We are all sinners and we are all deserving of death, that is why we need Christ.

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11 Responses to “Haiti’s Deal With the Devil”

  1. Rome Johnson Says:

    The Bible is obviously not literal to you.
    You and most everyone in todays world are blind and want to “create” a Bible that suits their own carnal views. The Bible is very specific about judgement due to behavior……..You need to understand God’s wrath towards those when Moses returned from the mountain, maybe Sodom, and Revelations etc. etc. then you will understand Pat.

    • I understand what you are saying. What I am saying is that everyman deserves judgment and Gods wrath, not one of us can say that we are without sin, if we do we are liars. Pat is indicting Haiti because of their deal with the devil, I am indicting the fallen world for not turning to Christ. Deal or no deal with the devil, all of those people deserve Gods wrath just as much as any other country.

      • Rome Johnson Says:

        “Deal or no deal with the devil, all of those people deserve Gods wrath just as much as any other country.”

        NOT according to the Bible: Why was Sodom and Gomorrah singled out?
        18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;…

        “Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens” Genesis 19:24. “Turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly” II Peter 2:6. (The word for “example” means an exhibit for warning.)

        “Was he right to say that the people of Haiti are more deserving of the destruction because of their deal with the devil? No,…”
        Yes! Pat’s statements are Biblicaly correct.

        BTW about your statement: “When Adam and Eve listened to the voice of the serpent, the result was a cursed creation.”

        Adam never listed to a word the serpent said…..Eve did and Adam listend to Eve. And yes, it matters. Eve and the serpent were cursed. Adam was not.

        You are correct, knowing about God’s grace is wonderful.

      • Is it possible that Haiti deserved it more than another country did? Sure, if you are willing to speak for God in that respect be my guest, I am not.

        Did they deserve it? Yes, as to you and I. Apart from Christ we all deserve death and the wrath of God, because we are sinners, the wages of sin is death.

        Are Pat’s statements correct? Again, I have no way of saying that this is happening to them because of a deal with the devil, I don’t speak for God. I can however say that it is happening to them as a result of the fall of man, God tells us that is why things happen. And unless we repent, whether you die on this earth from an earthquake, a volcano or in your sleep you will not spend eternity with God.

      • Rome Johnson Says:

        Richard L. Sypert Jr.
        January 14th, 2010 on 7:52 pm
        I believe the earthquake is God’s judgement if you accept the Bible as solely the definition of God’s criteria of judgement. If you mix some Bible with other sources of knowledge or reasoning you may not reach this conclusion. Or if you take a notion of God’s love from the Bible and define it by standards exterior to the Bible, you may not believe it is God’s judgement. The Bible is a self-consistent definition of God’s criteria for judgment and His conditions for judgement. It is erroneous to believe as many so-called Christians believe that God no longer judges. This the Bible does not teach and is from sources and reasonings exterior to the Bible. God does judge based on what the Bible clearly teaches from beginning to end as His criteria of whether a people are judgement worthy. The Bible also teaches that God is very merciful and waits until transgression against Him reaches a fullness. God main criteria for bringing judgement against a people is their sinfulness. God did not allow the nation of Israel to displace the people previously in the promised land until their transgression became full when they were burning their kids in fire in sacrifice to false gods. God warned the nation of Israel not to join into the same wicked practices of the nations they were displacing or they would be severely judged too, which they were. God brings judgement today against ongoing increase in wicked behavior of a people who actions and practices become intolerably destructive toward each other’s innocence, morality, or lives. Recently God has judged the child-sex-slavery capital of the world and two of the Voodoo centers of the world. This idea may be objectionable from today’s politically correct points-of-view but it is entirely consistent with a Biblically self-consistent understanding of God and His actions.

      • First, I do believe that God judges today, and I am not ruling out that this was God’s judgment, I am simply saying that I don’t know. I have a hard time speaking for God when it comes to whether or not He was judging. We can use the given facts to draw conclusions, we can even say that this incident reaches all the necessary criteria for it to be Gods judgment, but we cannot say that it was 100% of God, because God did not specifically say whether or not this was his judgment. The basic conclusion that I was bringing to the forefront was that at some point we will all be judged, we live in a fallen world that desperately needs Jesus and those that do not have Christ will be judged at some point or another. Would you not agree that an earthquake is a result of the fallen world that we live in?

        Second, to call anyone a “so-called Christian” because they do not agree with your notion of what Gods judgment is is a bit of a stretch. We are talking about doctrinal differences here, this is not an issue of salvation. There are a good many people that I have differences with about doctrinal issues and even issues that are going on right now, and I don’t call into question their salvation. The implication that someone is not saved because of these differences is wrong. People can simply be wrong on a doctrinal point and it will not have an effect on their salvation.

      • Rome Johnson Says:

        I will not speak for God either. The main issue is that Pat verbalized a Biblically sound and supported assesment and you said he was wrong to do so.
        Regarding what YOU said about Pat’s assessment:

        “Was he right to say that the people of Haiti are more deserving of the destruction because of their deal with the devil? No,…..”
        I understand the great points you made and brought to the forefront but my interest was in how you could determine Pat was incorrect?
        I believe Pat was right in his assessment and you believe he was wrong. There are many others who agree with Pat but don’t have the guts to say so because it so strongly goes against the politically correct world we live in.

        This was written by someone else but is the basics about what I believe regarding earthquakes:
        “Recent earthquakes should receive a different interpretation in the Christian’s thinking. Jesus Christ spoke of them as “signs” of His coming again to earth. He said, “There will be earthquakes in divers places” (Matthew 24:7; Mark 13:8), a fact now verified by the global distribution of earthquakes recorded on seismographs. Furthermore, He said this sign is the “beginning of sorrows” (Matthew 24:8; Mark 13:8). The word translated “sorrows” in many English Bibles is the Greek work for “birth pangs.” Just as we know that a woman is going to give birth to a child because of birth pangs, Jesus says we know that the intolerable anguish of God’s judgment and the return of His Son is at hand.

        The birth pang theme is also alluded to by the apostles Paul and John. Paul speaks in cosmic dimensions of all creation “groaning in travail” (Romans 8:22), awaiting the new birth of the world; John speaks of the sign of the pregnant woman (Revelation 12:2) and later describes the greatest earthquake since men have been upon the earth, when mountains and islands will be displaced (Revelation 16:18-20). This great future earthquake will be associated with the return of Christ to Jerusalem (Acts 1:9-12; Zechariah 14:1-11), and is described as inflicting severe topographic and geologic changes on a global scale.”

        The “so-called Christian” reference is out of the quote I posted that was written by Richard L. Sypert Jr. I do not intrepret it as having anything to do with doctrine. His comment to my understanding has to do with people being “so-called Christians” has to do with the fact that they have by their own desire and intentional misinterpretation “created” their own Bible that eliminates God’s judgement out of its writing.

        God is the same yesterday, today and forever.

      • I totally agree with your assessment about God at the end of your statement. You need not try and convince me that God can use earthquakes or that he has. I would not put myself in the category of someone that wants to or does eliminate God’s judgment out of the Bible. PLEASE, don’t think that is what I am saying. I strongly believe in the coming judgment of God on this earth spoken of in Revelation and I don’t find it politically incorrect to assert that God will or has judged the earth. I do not want to be wrapped up in a group of people that misinterprets the Bible, though I don’t think that differing views on the Bible causes one to not be saved. And that is what I think we are dealing with here.

        As I look at the current earthquake it does not seem that it was directed towards Haiti because of their deal with the devil or their enormous amounts of sin for many reasons. First, I would contend that it is the result of the curse that “was” put on the earth by God mentioned in Romans 8, and it is in fact those birth pains also mentioned in Romans 8, to which I think we agree. Which, by my assessment, are not specific judgments brought forth by God, but the results of sin and God’s curse on the world. Hence my earlier reference to the fallen world.

        Second, there was no specific prophetic warning by God of the current earthquake. In both the case of the Flood and Sodom and Gomorrah God provided a specific prophetic warning, and provided a way for the righteous people to escape the judgment of God. Both were not provided in this case (Haiti). And I have a hard time calling verses like the ones found in Romans 8 prophetic warnings because they are broad statements not referring to specific events (times and places), they are seen as the effects of sin, the fall of man and the curse put on the earth from God, and are therefore not the same as the Flood or Sodom and Gomorrah and would back up my earlier assertion.

        Thirdly, on the coming judgment of the world spoken of in Revelation. We are told specifically that Christians will not have to endure the judgment that God will inflict on the earth in 1 Thessalonians. This too backs up the idea that when judgment comes directly from God because of specific sin, or because a persons or people have gotten to a certain point, that God will in fact provide a way for the righteous people to escape Gods judgment. Something that was not provided in the case of Haiti.

        Which brings us back to the illustration used by Jesus in the Tower of Siloam, where he refers to such a disaster as just that, a disaster, something that should cause us to look at our lives and know that we need Christ and that we need to repent, and that last point is a point that I think we can both agree on (regarding our need to repent).

        Lastly, I do not think that every trial and tribulation that befalls man is a result of God’s judgment on that specific person or persons. I.e. sickness or even death, it is in most cases the result of the sinful dying world we live in, spoken of in Romans. And the topic at hand, Haiti, does not seem to meet the criteria in my eyes, given to 2 things that I pointed out that were missing.

        I also want to point out that during this little debate that we’re having here I hope that I have shown you nothing but respect, and I don’t want you to think that at anytime during this exchange I was mad or angry. I would hate for, you, a person that seems to have very strong convictions and seems to be a strong brother in Christ, to be mad at me. I am judging by your other comments on my site that that is not the case, but I just wanted to let you know, that I am not trying to stir up anything or be contentious here, merely discussing.

      • Rome Johnson Says:

        Earthquakes have been used of God at special times, with special people, for special purposes. Like other miracles, Biblical earthquakes were employed infrequently when no other human or physical agency could inflict judgment on the wicked, redeem His righteous people from difficult situations, or gain man’s attention so God’s Word could be considered. In fact, these three purposes—judgment, deliverance, and communication —should form our basis for understanding earthquakes. In our fast-paced, man-centered, technology-based society of the late 20th century, God would have us pause and consider His sovereign nature and His coming program for the world.

        Steven A. Austin

  2. Thank you so much for taking the time to write this thoughtful post. I think your understanding of grace is abundant.

    3rd Option
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